Sunday, November 22, 2009

Sukhoi Su-30MKI vs JF-17 Thunder






Sukhoi Su-30MKI  





National origin
    Russia
    India



Crew: 2 

Unit cost: US $40 million

Max takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)  

Powerplant: 2× Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 131 kN (29,449 lbf) each  

Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 

Radar: N011M Bars (Panther) (PESA) 

Range: 5,000 km and 8,000 km at a cruise height of 11 to 13 km with air refueling system. 

Thrust/weight: 1.07 (at loaded weight & 1.15 with 50% fuel)  

Rate of climb: > 355 m/s  

Service ceiling: 17,300 m 

G-limit: 9+g / 9.5 g 

hardpoints: Su 30 MKI has 12 hardpoints.which can be increased to 14 by using multi-payload racks.   











Impact of IRST OR ESM on flanker














^^ photo courtesy- www.ausairpower.net







UNIQUE FEATURES 





+ Avionics and subsystems sourced from,
   Israel   France    Russia   India 
+ canard increases the aircraft lifting ability and allow high angle-of-attack (AoA


+ N011M has a 350 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range The radar can track 15 air targets and engage four simultaneously. These targets can even include cruise missiles and motionless helicopters. The Su-30MKI can function as a mini-AWACS as a director or command post for other aircraft. The target co-ordinates can be transferred automatically to at least four other aircraft. The radar can detect ground targets such as tanks at 40–50 km. 

+ radar range of 60 km in the rear hemisphere 

+ A modified Su-30MKI is being used to carry BrahMos cruise missiles with range 300 km.

+ Novator K-100 (Range-possibly 300–400 km )missile was designed to shoot down AWACS and other C4ISTAR aircraft whilst keeping the launch platform out of range of any fighters that might be protecting the target.

+N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation system.






+Su-30MKI aerodynamic configuration is an unstable longitudinal triplane. The canard increases the aircraft lifting ability and deflects automatically to allow high angle-of-attack (AoA) flights allowing it to perform Pugachev's Cobra. The integral aerodynamic configuration combined with thrust vectoring results in extremely capable maneuverability, taking off and landing characteristics. This high agility allows rapid deployment of weapons in any direction as desired by the crew. The canard notably assists in controlling the aircraft at large angles-of-attack and bringing it to a level flight condition


Latest developments 

UAC together with HAL has been developing fifth generation fighter features such as 
internal weapons carriage and radar absorbent material for IAF Su-30MKIs by modifying their airframes to make them stealthy, converting the existing ‘Bars’ into an Active Phased Array Radar, enhancing the situational awareness by incorporating active electronically scanned transmit/receive arrays on the aircraft’s wings and pumping up the defensive-aids suite by installing a combined radar/laser warning system and a missile approach warning system.






JF-17 Thunder 










National origin   
   People's Republic
 of China

 Pakistan




JF-17 Thunder is a light-weight multi-role combat aircraft jointly developed by theChengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAC) of China and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) of Pakistan. The "JF" and "FC" designations stand for "Joint Fighter" (Pakistan) and "Fighter China" (China) respectively.
Originally designed to be a small and capable lightweight fighter powered by a single engine to reduce costs, the JF-17 was supposed to be a simple and inexpensive solution for replacing large fleets of obsolete types in the air forces of developing countries. The JF-17 evolved into a more advanced fighter during the later stages of development with revised terms of reference by the Pakistan Air Force and the incorporation of more modern features and technologies



Crew: 1

Unit cost: US$ 15 million (estimated)

Max takeoff weight: 12,700 kg

Powerplant: 1× Klimov RD-93 turbofan

Maximum Speed : Mach 1.8

Radar: Italian Grifo S-7 ?

Range: 3,000 km

Thrust/weight: 0.99

Rate of climb: 175 m/s ?

Service ceiling: 16,700 m

G-limit: +8.5 g

hardpoints: 7 hardpoints being increased to 9 !





UNIQUE FEATURES 

+Ra'ad ALCM is planned to be integrated with and launched from JF-17.

+The EW suite is also linked to a missile approach warning (MAW) system to help it defend against radar-guided missiles.

+NRIET KLJ-7 radar's multiple modes allow surveillance and simultaneous engagement of multiple air, ground and sea targets, of which a total of 40 can be managed. Using the track-while-scan (TWS) mode, the radar can track up to 10 targets at beyond visual range (BVR) and engage 2 of them simultaneously with radar homing air-to-air missiles. The operation range for targets with a radar cross-section (RCS) of 5 m2 is stated to be ≥105 km in look-up mode and ≥85 km in look-down mode.

Latest developments 

Remaining production aircraft may also be equipped with European avionics, radars and weaponry. Pakistan had begun negotiations with British and Italian defence firms over potential avionics and radars for JF-17 during initial development. Some of the radar options for JF-17 are the Italian Galileo Avionica Grifo S7 and the French Thomson-CSF RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), along with the MBDA MICA IR/RF short/medium range air-to-air missiles. The Vixen 500E AESA radar has also been offered to the PAF for installation on the JF-17 by the British company SELEX, but the PAF may be looking for a more advanced AESA radar





- please correct me if I am wrong with Specifications



Conclusion


JF-17 is no comparison to MKI. Both are different class and MKI is far advanced in all aspects.


55 comments:

  1. brilliant !!!!! GO INDIA !!!!1

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  2. I think this Junk Fighter-17 is not even comparable to LCA ... just a piece of junk as name suggest... whats the point in comparing it with Su-mki which gives best in the business a run for its money... i think this junk is some how comparable to mig bison .....
    go india ... go tejas....

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  3. Kindly search JF-17 thunder on wikipedia and read details.
    JF-17 is not even operational in China and is basically developed by Chinese as a low cost solution for 3'rd world countries like Pakistan.
    Even Chinese know, its only a 3'rd generation aircraft. In comparison Su-30 is a 4.5 Generation aircraft.
    pakistanis boosting off that they would acquire 250+ of these.
    Imagine 280 Su30MKi's pitted against 250 of Jf-17 thunders :D :D
    I had stomach ache after thinking about the above line. How would Pakistanis compete ??

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  4. Its not about machines...its about people who control these

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    1. Pak pilots are suckers i dont think in an all out battle they will be able to drown a single SU 30Mki...

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    2. Absolutely correct. Indian Pilots are far more lazy as compared to other Central Asian & European Countries. Handling such costly aircraft doesn't mean that we are superior than others. See all the accidents and its reasons, one can easily come to a conclusion.

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  5. you can go on about it depends on the pilot crap..but in reality we all know that's a bunch of bullshit...all air force pilots are well trained...they dont have toddlers sucking on the flightstick for a lollipop..basically as an indian im teling you jf-17 is a waste invest in the j10 then well compare

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  6. I feel pitty on all of the ill informed Indians, please look at the crash rates of Su-30. Is this crap u ppl have produced.
    secondly, dont forget Pak has not bought it as a counter to Su-30, perhaps JF-17 is a replacement to outdated Mirage and other fighters.
    PAF is always ahead of IAF. Soon u will hear a good news. :)

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    1. dude with all due respect,u r replacing one of the oldest fighters ...mirage 5 with jf 17. replacing junk with junk.
      wake up.....we have upgraded our mirage 2000 to mirage 2000-5 standrd,uograded mig 29 to mig 29smt.upgraded su30mki to super sukhoi capable of carrying the deadly brahmos,and we r replacing mig 21 with rafael.we have the tejas and t 50 pak fa coming up too. and the navy procured another aircraft carrier with mig 29k variant.our air strength is much more advanced in quantity as well as quality.

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    2. india is also going to purchase rafale which is best amongst the planes that pakistan have

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  7. We already heard the good news. You guys were hiding Osama. Backstabbers.

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  8. as someone said above....PAF is better than IAF....thats the reason u guys lost 3 wars!!!

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  9. Some of our Paki friends get down to verbal duels. We are talking about real duels in the air.'Junk Fighter' 17 would stand no chance against even a rookie IAF fighter in a MiG 21 Bison, forget the Su 30MKI. The technical parameters says it all.....

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  10. screw paki bastards. lick ur chinese master nuts

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  11. my friends go n check in defencepk.com the worst site that i have neva seen. atleast pakistani ppl dnt have moral values, for silly reasons dey r giving infractions to indian members. but pakistani member can talk any thing, i mean nuke india, invade indian, low class cheap brain pakistani ppl

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  12. The reality is junkyard fighter 17 is not even use by chainese air force go n serch google. u will come to know. its a trash produce sepcifcaily for trach air force i.e. pakistan air force. which was slpng while US came n fuckd their osama.
    one & i am realy serious india will for sure kill all the pakistani terrorist & army it is just india need to chose the date and time 7 the way wel shld kill u bunch of pigs.

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  13. jf 17 can never match su 30 mki in aerodynamic perfomance,technology and radar range............

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  14. obviously experience matters .u cant get success by copying so easily.russian engineering is doing the work from 1920 and su is known for its speed in the world.so whatever china made russia will made better than that

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  15. I think SU 30 is a version on Indian jet Marut

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  16. it depends on the job, for Air superiority and ground attack su 30 mki, for interceptors and bombing jf 17

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  17. these paki fuckers all though they know that in every dept they are no match with indians still they will bark like dogs do thier intentions known to others. from close observation i have seen that with all obsolete products in their army , navy as well as airforce they will try to prove themselves superior . i challenge these paki pigs to come open in battle and then bark . i would love to see pakis and paks dooms day. and yes what all u do in pak defence forum is shameful , u bunch of rascals and rotten pigs

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  18. there can not be a comparison between superb 30 mki and junk fighter 17 .

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  19. OOOOOOOOhhhhhh !!!! ya SU-30 can't be compare with JF-17 , but keep in mind JF-17 is not a piece of cake ... In fact Su-30 struggle hard to beat this figther bcz both have BVR missile capability ! Also never ever be overconfident bcz u may lose war by doing so.... India has superb Su-30 , Mirage-2000 , Mig-29 , V-8(STOL), Jaguar.... No doubt a superb fleet... but on opposite side u r going to face F-16 , JF-17 , J-10 , F-7 with some v.professional pilots& AA ( Nuclear Missile- Both sides )... Just concentration make u win... Not a proud and overconfidence !!!!

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    1. don't let me hit you saying su-30 is better than JF 17...

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    2. true my friend,both sides are nuclear capable but india is far more capable in weapons of mass destruction be it nuclear,thermonuclear etc.paf is strong no doubt and u r replacing ur jf 7 but in present situation inducting 250 3.5 generation aircraft to replace a strength of around 150-200 3rd gen aircraft is a wrong decision.besides jf 17 by the time paf inducts j10 iaf wud have had a strong fleet of rafael ans su 30mki along with heavily upgraded versions of mig 29 smt, mirage 2000-5,mig 21 bison "i", lca tejas.besides we have had aggressor training to combat f16 in different exercices commanded by the best usaf fighters which put us in a tactical advantage of knowing not only ur weakness but also strenghts and tackle it.i mean no offence but the oldest plane in our arsenal the mig 21 bison which is mocked as flying coffin was able to counter f-16 which pretty much is ur lead aircraft today.besides naval air firm is also equipped with harrierson viraat,and will be operating mig 29k operating on 2 more aircraft carriers.however let us hope we do not engage each other and resolve issues diplomatically.

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    3. JF-17= SCRAP METAL + CHEAP CHINESE PARTS

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    4. I think ur illiterate su 30mki also has a BVR capability its radar are more powerfull than the junk jf 17.

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    5. Man O man... Mr. Malik is trying to say that to they are preparing a fleet of 3rd gen( at most ) fighter to counter a fleet of 4th and 4+ gen fighter. wow... and about JF-17 hmmm... can that fly well... I read in news that Indian army found a piece of chinese junk and after analyzing it was found out to be a piece of JF-17 fell from the air the previous day when a pakistani JF-17 passed over POK... I also heard the news that a JF-17 crashed while landing just a day later ... Also I think highly of china .. why because they know better then india how to recycle waste and then sell it at a much higher cost making a big profit.... who's bying that..->pakistan.

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  20. JF-17 is a single engine light weight fighter. It is stupid comparing with Su30mki ,which outclasses it. They cannot be compared on overall characteristics.
    But if they do end up in a merge or dogfight sukhoi possess the advantage of better thrust to weight, better agility and weaponary.
    But do keep in mind that JF-17 has an impressive thrust to weight and i
    The Su-30mki has French and Israeli avionics. Pakistan is trying to source British radars and Italian systems. If Pakistan can sufficiently upgrade its avionics ranging from radar to Ecm systems they stand a chance against Su-30mki.
    PS Guys pls avoid gruesome comments
    VJ

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  21. IAF was fucked by PAF in 1965 and yet Indians dont feel it...! Reason is simple. They are habitual lenders...!

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    1. First go to a good school and study history. ?....then talk and post here.
      Illiterate paki or whatever...

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  22. They like to lick Russian nuts. And most recently they have started licking US's also. In fact, they are not only habitual lenders but also bastards. A mix breed of many bloods. They don't feel shame in this, rather feel pride. It is the only country in the world where wife is burnt with her dead husband alive..where humans like to drink piss of COW and where PANDITS fuck young girls....! Fucking nation of bastards. And yet they have cheeks to bark. In fact when they are not provided with a DICK, they bark

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    1. Yeah a person who hasn't been out of brothel(pakistan) in his lifetime and have seen their own ass fucked by others and their mother, wife and sisters getting fucked by other, how they will know how other operate for then everyone is a ass sucker like them themselves. pakis are total idiots.. no history , no science, no economy, no literacy, always fucked up, frustrated and total sadist. Better rename pakistan as pornistan. anyway whole world knows thel by this name only.

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  23. but after all pakistan has become the one of thoese who can construct jets and india is so far from us

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    1. Who gave you this wrong information . Musharraf? ?..

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  24. "Its not about machines...its about people who control these " <=TRUE
    indian can't even drive a car, how they can fly the Sukhoi Su-35, it is too much for them. Indian can make machines but they are bad operators same as chinese.
    Do these Sukhoi Su-35 have auto pilot feature? hhmmm.
    It looks like a great fighter but all depends on rider.

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  25. i think no multi fighter in the world is gonna match JF 17....its because we are now enhancing it with simultaneous interception anti ballistic shield,cruise missile,and anti- radiant serpentine vipers .....spit on b**** indians who think su - 30 is superior..

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    1. lol...and you woke up from your sleep!!
      :-D

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    2. lol...using ''anti- radiant serpentine vipers''
      it'll throw snakes instead f missiles??ryt??
      :-D
      coz u peopl hav not yet fully integrated basic weapon pods with d weapons on it!
      let alone dat fantasy junk u jst wrote!!
      ballistic missile shield!
      :-D
      y dont u include intergalactic weapon homing device too!!

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    3. let me tell a joke or what ever ,just look at range of them,jf-17 comes with all equipped missiles which can't detect enemy targets away than 3,000km range and here comes a missile from nowhere from 5000km range,your jf-17 can't even locate the target other than just get hit by the missile :D

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  26. its very sad to see no one know anything of aircrafts speaks bullshit here, every aircraft designed for different roles , jf-17 is gud aircraft, now we r seen is first version for training and learning purpose to see how it does in different situations, version 2 already made which very advanced have diamond shape nose for stealth purpose; even mig 21 is very gud aircraft, its got 2.0 mach speed so gud for intercepting and defence purpose bcuz it come fire, exit, sukhoi is for attacking purpose its got only superior design nothing else russia made this plane for selling purpose, its highly exported plane many countries have it, india blindly spent huge amnt of money on its avionics then its wt it is today, lca is the real junk made as project by some students:-P for 30 years its in development phase , not operational yet as iaf rejected it navy r forced to have it , bt navy also using it as secondary aircraft, now also how many years it will take nobody knows

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  27. there is joke indians r very happy by comparing with pakistan , in corruption if india is in 5 position dey will be happy pak is 3rd positin, bhaki sb country bhad mn jaye hm pak se compare kr k khus rahenge, it like 2 neighbours comparing thier sons percentage , usko 92% mila tujhe sirf 90% :-P and bymistakely if pak become superpower india ki halat aisi ho jaygi, neighbour ka son ka admission iiit mn hogaya mera son kisi lovely institute mn hotel management ka course:-P

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  28. JF -17 avionics is no where near the MKI. Su-30MKI does not even have to get in the merge with JF-17. MKI's are fitted with the Israeli radar and R-77 Adder BVR missiles(mind u, R-77 is the most feared is better than what the Americans can offer). R-77 Adder will paint the JF-17 screen and JF-17 will be blown out of the skies even before it can detect Su-30MKI in the horizon.

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  29. pakistan is ahead of india in nuclear warheads......no doubt indian airforce is better than pakistan.....pakistan is not beating indian airforce they just want to make it balance ..........pakistan just want airforce that can defend thier borders.pakistan was need of fighter jet that can replace it aging fleet of mirages of 1960s.....so now we are replacing it with jf 17 thunder.......so that good development........and absolutely su30mki is better....jf 17 thunder can be compare to mig29,mirage 2000,f16,s.......simple comparing su30 wih jf 17 thunder is like comparing su30 to f22 raptors or to tornedo jets

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  30. First of all peace for all. What Airforce must be proud about is its brave men. PAF has a record to beat Rafale with its F7 PG. The capabilities are enhanced with the ability of men. So, consider the other half also. and real deal is not the dog fight but the early identification of enemy. and missile system to have a responsive attack. Respect for the machines but machines cannot help until and unless one has the balls to fight.

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  31. what ever may be the weapons pakitanies pilots know better than any other nation in the world and we have proved it in 1965 against cunning india and i assure all those who blame my state that fights are won by those who keep courage and bravery and we have and inshallah in the near future we must prove it again like 1965. JF is our joint production while SU is a russian rustet material like mig21.thing million times before using a litter language against the best air force in the world.

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  32. Okay im a neutral guy, a Pakistani and i will only write the facts okay. Please relax everybody and try to digest the fact. The Fact is that Indians are black faced not less than negros, congenital motherfuckers, Rapist nationals who rape their own daughters and sisters. They will burn in Hellfire along with their plastic negro sukhoi plane. Jf17 for life!! Go Pakistan! We love u. Hate Rapist India. tumor of this world. Black nation. Born Pigs. Hope you read it and liked :) aah! i can sleep peacefully tonight :) (P.S- i was only joking. India is a very nice country, but for male sex only. Not a place for females)

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    1. I an sorry for the above comment actually i wanted to say
      Im a neutral guy, a Pakistani and i will only write the facts okay. Please relax everybody and try to digest the fact. The Fact is that we are congenital motherfuckers, Rapist nationals who rape their own daughters and sisters. They will burn in Hellfire along with our junk JF-17 plane. Jf17 will doom our life forever !! Fuck Pakistan! We love u India. Hate Rapist Pakistsn. Pakistan produces terrorist which is known to the whole world .We tumor of this world. We are born Pigs. Hope my pakistani gay brother and my fucknig whore sisters can read this and agree with me. aah! I still want to fuck my saleem, ismail and saddam. It feels so good when they insert my ass with their dick. Also i like fucking my mother asma and sister fatima. i can sleep peacefully tonight after fucking a 7 year old boy from my neighbourhood. :) (P.S- i was only joking but the facts are facts and can not be overlooked.)

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  33. KOI CHHINTA HO SWATWA TERA(CHINA,ABOUT ARUNACHAL PRADESH), AUR TU TYAG-TAP SE KAAM LE YAH PAAP HAI......
    PUNYA HAI KAR DENA VIKSHINNA BADH RAHA TERI TARAF JO HAATH HAI.

    BHARAT MATA KI JAI..

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  34. Really glad to see bunch of idiots over here. I have some questions for you guys. Get answers and than you will come to the conclusion ur self

    In Ariel combat 4 areas are important for an aircraft
    a. Radar capability (detection and engagement)
    b. Electronic Counter measure suit
    c. Maneuverability
    d. Radar cross section of an air craft.

    1. What Kind of superior radar advantage SU-30 MKI will have in pakistani air space in the presence of pakistani awacs?

    2. Surely SU 30 is more powerful and maneuverable than JF 17 but who says that our pilots will fight with machine guns like we did in 65 or 71 wars. We both will be using missiles. Most of the engagements will be BVR.
    Do you believe that SU30 is more maneuverable than AIM 120 C5 / SD 10????

    3. SU 30 is huge on radar. JF 17 is much smaller. SU30 will be detected and engaged earlier than JF 17 with the help of AWACS in pakistani airspace

    4. Electronic counter measure.... frankly speaking no one knows who's ECM is better than the other. Even If MKI have some superiority in this area doesn't mean that it will surely win the battle!

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  35. U jerk pakistani,,discussion here is in su-30 vs jf-17,,so y u r inserting ur junk AWACS here,,,compare these two fighters without awacs and pilot skills,,and surely su-30mki will prove what's the real name of jf-17(junk fighter)..

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  36. one point if our plane crashes (F-7 mirage3) its beacuse they are 25 years old. Your Mig-29 and recently c-130 Hercules Crashes they are fairly new and upgraded as well. then why your punk ass indian pilots crashes them. because you indian drink cow urines the a hun-mans bannana in ass

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  37. you indians are too much excited that no one beats your air force, this excitement is your weak point when a war happens between india and pakistan, IAF never gain air superiority over PAF because we will play with your weakness. i think we don't need to engage with su-30, su-30 pilot got excited when entering Our space that no one beat us and smash his plane to mountain yes we claim air to air kill. foolish Indians always admiring

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  38. Simple thing's sukhoi load and drop 8000kg arms and j17 load and drop 3690kg arms.war fight with arms.sukhoi carry brahmos and nova k-100 cruise missile range 300to400km range.so 60% Pakistan land cover this missile.sukhoi plane no required entering Pakistani border.

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